1 00:00:04,789 --> 00:00:02,240 you're locked into Inception Radio 2 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:04,799 Network superior Wisconsin you're locked 3 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:07,950 into Inception Radio Network superior 4 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:16,080 Wisconsin your tool in tonight vision 5 00:00:23,210 --> 00:00:19,800 radio exposing the truth one secret at a 6 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:23,220 time prepare yourself as we explore the 7 00:00:29,540 --> 00:00:25,710 shadow worlds of suppressed history 8 00:00:31,730 --> 00:00:29,550 secret knowledge forbidden religion and 9 00:01:14,600 --> 00:00:31,740 shine a light on the conspiracies to 10 00:01:14,610 --> 00:01:23,200 welcome to night vision radio 11 00:01:28,460 --> 00:01:25,640 hi everyone welcome to night vision 12 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:28,470 radio have a special show planned for 13 00:01:33,550 --> 00:01:30,420 tonight but before we get started with 14 00:01:37,249 --> 00:01:33,560 our guests I'd like to remind you that 15 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:37,259 returning to tutor.com has a music 16 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:40,590 contest that is ongoing they believe and 17 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:42,690 we believe I believe it too that new 18 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:46,710 that can change the world so return to 19 00:01:53,419 --> 00:01:48,600 troubadours looking for a particular 20 00:01:55,580 --> 00:01:53,429 song and anyone can submit look on their 21 00:01:58,100 --> 00:01:55,590 website for the details but they're 22 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:58,110 looking for a song that has a positive 23 00:02:04,010 --> 00:02:01,380 effect on humanity so it could be any 24 00:02:06,620 --> 00:02:04,020 style of music but it needs to be 25 00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:06,630 something that will uplift humanity in 26 00:02:14,540 --> 00:02:12,080 general looks the individual so please 27 00:02:16,430 --> 00:02:14,550 look at return to the to the door come 28 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:16,440 get the details like them on Facebook 29 00:02:22,699 --> 00:02:20,130 and get ready because the contest is 30 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:22,709 it's really cool it's coming up I think 31 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:25,110 the submissions are going to end in a 32 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:27,480 couple of months and the first prize I 33 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:31,650 know is going to be $5,000 in gold coins 34 00:02:37,940 --> 00:02:33,690 so that should be a really really nice 35 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:37,950 gift for someone and you know the songs 36 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:40,890 that sort of provides the soundtracks of 37 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:43,650 our lives you know just ringing all of 38 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:46,049 our ears and there's all kinds of 39 00:02:53,630 --> 00:02:48,540 effects that music has on us as far as 40 00:02:55,580 --> 00:02:53,640 you know rousing us to war or bringing 41 00:02:57,380 --> 00:02:55,590 us to a peaceful place in our hearts 42 00:02:59,060 --> 00:02:57,390 which is where we're looking to go so 43 00:03:02,229 --> 00:02:59,070 please look at return to the troubadour 44 00:03:04,849 --> 00:03:02,239 calm and there'll also be some celebrity 45 00:03:06,890 --> 00:03:04,859 musicians that will be involved in the 46 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:06,900 judging at one I can tell you about for 47 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:09,510 sure right now is John Payne's lead 48 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:12,060 singer of the group Asia and also has 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:15,510 his own new band called GPS he's a 50 00:03:20,509 --> 00:03:17,970 wonderful singer songwriter composer and 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:20,519 musician and he's gonna be helping us 52 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:23,250 out with the contest and so of his 53 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:25,890 colleagues so please don't look at 54 00:03:30,229 --> 00:03:27,810 returning to video calm because music 55 00:03:33,290 --> 00:03:30,239 can change the world well tonight we 56 00:03:36,140 --> 00:03:33,300 have a really unusual story 57 00:03:38,270 --> 00:03:36,150 maybe not unusual for for all of us who 58 00:03:41,570 --> 00:03:38,280 are interested in these types of subject 59 00:03:46,340 --> 00:03:41,580 matters because we've all heard or met 60 00:03:49,010 --> 00:03:46,350 someone who's had experiences with other 61 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:49,020 beings extraterrestrials we know we've 62 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:51,570 categorized them in the past as alien 63 00:04:00,890 --> 00:03:55,530 abductees and I'm not sure how that 64 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:00,900 title sits with my guest tonight but our 65 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:04,680 guest is David Huggins he's an artist a 66 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:08,430 painter from Hoboken New Jersey and he's 67 00:04:14,570 --> 00:04:10,440 I guess you know he's been characterized 68 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:14,580 as it's an outsider artist and he had 69 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:17,250 these lifelong experiences which he had 70 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:19,769 trouble sort of processing until he 71 00:04:23,210 --> 00:04:21,810 began to paint them he's got some 72 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:23,220 incredible work we're going to be 73 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:25,530 putting them some of the images up in 74 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:27,630 the chat room so please join us in the 75 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:30,210 live chat room tonight at inception 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:33,570 radio network comm if you're listening 77 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:36,930 to us just click on chat and join us and 78 00:04:41,090 --> 00:04:38,460 we'll be taking questions especially 79 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:41,100 later on in the show from the chat room 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:44,160 that are geared toward our guests also 81 00:04:48,110 --> 00:04:45,330 along with David 82 00:04:51,140 --> 00:04:48,120 we have Brad Abraham's who's a young 83 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:51,150 filmmaker based in the United States and 84 00:04:57,260 --> 00:04:54,660 in Canada and he came across David's 85 00:04:59,450 --> 00:04:57,270 story became very intrigued by it and 86 00:05:02,690 --> 00:04:59,460 it's now in process of creating a 87 00:05:05,810 --> 00:05:02,700 documentary on David's life so welcome 88 00:05:10,430 --> 00:05:05,820 both David and Brad thanks so much for 89 00:05:12,260 --> 00:05:10,440 joining us thank you yeah now they do I 90 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:12,270 want to start with you because the story 91 00:05:19,370 --> 00:05:16,200 is all about you now when do you feel 92 00:05:22,130 --> 00:05:19,380 that you first begin to have you know 93 00:05:22,909 --> 00:05:22,140 these experiences with other beings I 94 00:05:27,469 --> 00:05:22,919 won't call them extraterrestrials 95 00:05:29,750 --> 00:05:27,479 because I think you know as you agree we 96 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:29,760 don't know exactly where these things 97 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:32,160 are from that's true 98 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:38,880 I don't know about for I'm sorry I'm 99 00:05:42,770 --> 00:05:40,530 sorry I interrupt you I was just going 100 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:42,780 to say again when did you first figure 101 00:05:46,549 --> 00:05:44,610 out that you were having this big kind 102 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:46,559 of connection 103 00:05:56,209 --> 00:05:52,490 I didn't start remembering until 1987 104 00:05:59,239 --> 00:05:56,219 hmm now how did that happen I know a lot 105 00:06:01,219 --> 00:05:59,249 of people that have had it experiences 106 00:06:02,540 --> 00:06:01,229 said they knew something was going on 107 00:06:04,909 --> 00:06:02,550 they just couldn't figure out what it 108 00:06:08,179 --> 00:06:04,919 was and it might have come out in 109 00:06:09,589 --> 00:06:08,189 therapy or hypnotherapy they started 110 00:06:11,779 --> 00:06:09,599 remembering things but did you start 111 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:11,789 remembering on your Elmo wasn't drawn 112 00:06:18,709 --> 00:06:15,210 out of you from Sun actually it was kind 113 00:06:24,679 --> 00:06:18,719 of very weird I was having a very hard 114 00:06:28,609 --> 00:06:24,689 time during 1987 and I had heard about 115 00:06:32,179 --> 00:06:28,619 Whitney stripper and I read her book 116 00:06:35,119 --> 00:06:32,189 read his book called communion ha ha and 117 00:06:38,149 --> 00:06:35,129 for some reason never wrong a bell but I 118 00:06:40,249 --> 00:06:38,159 couldn't understand it really and we 119 00:06:43,699 --> 00:06:40,259 used to have a bookstore on 8th and 120 00:06:45,619 --> 00:06:43,709 Washington Street here in Hoboken and I 121 00:06:47,059 --> 00:06:45,629 happened to go when I was looking for a 122 00:06:53,209 --> 00:06:47,069 certain look I think it was called 123 00:06:57,049 --> 00:06:53,219 intruders he didn't have it so yes that 124 00:06:58,699 --> 00:06:57,059 was my popkins yep yes it was and he 125 00:07:01,459 --> 00:06:58,709 said there was another book store down 126 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:01,469 the street so I'll go down to the other 127 00:07:06,649 --> 00:07:03,930 Street the other bookstore they don't 128 00:07:09,829 --> 00:07:06,659 have it and I will start walking back 129 00:07:12,589 --> 00:07:09,839 and the guy comes out of the first 130 00:07:14,619 --> 00:07:12,599 bookstore that I had gone to and he says 131 00:07:17,059 --> 00:07:14,629 hey David listen I've got your book 132 00:07:18,739 --> 00:07:17,069 that's what you mean you got keep my 133 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:18,749 book I hope gee I thought you didn't 134 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:22,050 have any he says this woman she came in 135 00:07:29,389 --> 00:07:25,800 and she left the book for you and I 136 00:07:30,429 --> 00:07:29,399 thought that was very strange I didn't 137 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:30,439 know who it was 138 00:07:36,709 --> 00:07:34,080 anyway I got the book and I get to a 139 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:36,719 certain chapter called other women other 140 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:42,209 men and there is a incident in book 141 00:07:50,659 --> 00:07:45,360 where this guy is having sex with this 142 00:07:54,019 --> 00:07:50,669 woman and he's lying over there was that 143 00:07:55,569 --> 00:07:54,029 the intruders book I think yes it was oh 144 00:08:00,110 --> 00:07:55,579 okay all right 145 00:08:03,469 --> 00:08:00,120 and I didn't I get to that chapter 146 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:03,479 and I go oh my god here is a woman I 147 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:07,500 never told anyone about and I started 148 00:08:14,930 --> 00:08:09,510 having all these memories come rushing 149 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:14,940 back to me and I remember my very first 150 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:20,160 episode where was which was with well a 151 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:23,490 little hairy guy was glowing eyes I was 152 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:26,550 eight years old I was living on a farm 153 00:08:32,420 --> 00:08:29,280 in Georgia and I was behind the barn and 154 00:08:36,469 --> 00:08:32,430 I was digging at the base of a tree and 155 00:08:39,140 --> 00:08:36,479 I hear somebody say David behind you and 156 00:08:42,339 --> 00:08:39,150 I turn around and I see this little 157 00:08:45,019 --> 00:08:42,349 hairy guy coming straight toward me I 158 00:08:47,530 --> 00:08:45,029 mean I couldn't move like I had never 159 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:47,540 seen anything like this in my life 160 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:51,570 anyway I it was like I was drawn into 161 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:54,570 his eyes and suddenly I was led out of 162 00:08:58,790 --> 00:08:56,730 them and I rushed back yelling and 163 00:09:01,600 --> 00:08:58,800 screaming and a run toward the barn and 164 00:09:05,540 --> 00:09:01,610 as I get to the born I turn around and 165 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:05,550 whatever this little being is he had 166 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:07,680 turned and was walking back into the 167 00:09:16,130 --> 00:09:12,830 woods and that was the most experiences 168 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:16,140 and I mean do you feel like that was 169 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:19,260 connected to these later experiences 170 00:09:24,650 --> 00:09:21,450 with these women the you know these 171 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:24,660 sexual experiences or do you think this 172 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:27,930 was just another kind of contact he 173 00:09:34,730 --> 00:09:31,980 reminded me of stories that I heard when 174 00:09:37,670 --> 00:09:34,740 I talked to people I did a documentary 175 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:37,680 film called Bigfoot film in salfi 176 00:09:43,220 --> 00:09:40,890 southeastern Oklahoma southwestern 177 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:43,230 Arkansas Louisiana and Texas all meet 178 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:45,810 together in a corner to begin my first 179 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:49,140 painting I was having a very hard time I 180 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:51,510 was sleepless I didn't know how to 181 00:09:58,730 --> 00:09:56,010 handle it until one morning I just got 182 00:10:01,850 --> 00:09:58,740 up and I started doing my first painting 183 00:10:04,610 --> 00:10:01,860 I worked on it all day and then during 184 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:04,620 the night and that night after I had 185 00:10:11,270 --> 00:10:06,690 finished the painting I got a very good 186 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:11,280 night's sleep hmm that's really 187 00:10:16,850 --> 00:10:13,680 interesting now so you want 188 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:16,860 really painting before had you been an 189 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:19,170 artist before although the beginning of 190 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:21,060 here no I have been doing other 191 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:24,870 paintings before hmm but I I never 192 00:10:31,370 --> 00:10:27,330 thought I would ever be doing paintings 193 00:10:35,050 --> 00:10:31,380 like this now and so what was the first 194 00:10:37,250 --> 00:10:35,060 painting that you did what did it detect 195 00:10:41,690 --> 00:10:37,260 they had a shield 196 00:10:44,389 --> 00:10:41,700 it showed a head coming up over a bush 197 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:44,399 all you see is the top of the heads and 198 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:48,690 its eyes hmm and basically what had 199 00:10:54,530 --> 00:10:51,870 happened is that I was going over to see 200 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:54,540 some friends of mine and they lived 201 00:10:59,630 --> 00:10:57,720 about half a mile away and so what I did 202 00:11:03,949 --> 00:10:59,640 is I took this shortcut behind the barn 203 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:03,959 and I as I'm going through the woods I 204 00:11:10,490 --> 00:11:06,800 get this feeling that I'm being watched 205 00:11:13,699 --> 00:11:10,500 but I don't see anything until I get to 206 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:13,709 the field and there is this path and I 207 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:15,540 start to go down it and I hear a sound 208 00:11:21,380 --> 00:11:19,050 and I look around and I see this head 209 00:11:24,829 --> 00:11:21,390 and I was thinking is that a head are 210 00:11:27,740 --> 00:11:24,839 those eyes and the next thing I know is 211 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:27,750 that and the next incident I know is 212 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:30,150 that I am lying on the ground all 213 00:11:35,199 --> 00:11:33,390 cuddled up into a ball scared out of my 214 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:35,209 wits 215 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:44,130 Wow and so something although the active 216 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:48,089 of painting these images did you feel 217 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:49,890 like it was some kind of a relief for 218 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:52,290 you you can feel like this was all pent 219 00:11:57,319 --> 00:11:53,910 up and you know you said you hadn't 220 00:12:01,069 --> 00:11:57,329 really shared it with people yes it was 221 00:12:03,199 --> 00:12:01,079 a release no doubt about it oh yeah I 222 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:03,209 feel so much better after I had done the 223 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:06,089 painting and then I continued doing the 224 00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:13,920 paintings you can take to stay oh yes I 225 00:12:22,610 --> 00:12:20,459 do I'm sorry I was asking Brad how did 226 00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:22,620 you come across the story how did you in 227 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:27,750 David Mead well it was a few years back 228 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:30,480 we happened to just be listening to a 229 00:12:38,570 --> 00:12:35,760 podcast that had an interview with a 230 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:38,580 investigator of UFO abductions I can't 231 00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:41,100 remember the host of the podcast or 232 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:44,480 where it was from exactly but in his 233 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:47,370 discussion he made a brief mention of 234 00:12:53,180 --> 00:12:50,970 this man from Hoboken who'd had intimate 235 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:53,190 relations with an extraterrestrial and 236 00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:56,010 had actually fathered children with them 237 00:13:01,160 --> 00:12:58,800 and chronicled it in a series of 238 00:13:04,220 --> 00:13:01,170 paintings and it was just at the time 239 00:13:07,310 --> 00:13:04,230 for me it was just so surreal I couldn't 240 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:07,320 forget it and soon after did some 241 00:13:12,620 --> 00:13:10,200 research and started to slowly uncover 242 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:12,630 his story in some of his heart his David 243 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:14,970 art and there wasn't much out there on 244 00:13:22,550 --> 00:13:17,100 the web at the time but eventually I 245 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:22,560 tracked down a book by a neighbor of his 246 00:13:27,620 --> 00:13:25,230 Farah yourtube believe that's how you 247 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:27,630 pronounce your last name which was just 248 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:29,370 a small book that had some of the 249 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:31,080 paintings and a little bit of his story 250 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:32,730 in it and the moment I laid eyes on the 251 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:35,310 paintings I just immediately started 252 00:13:40,460 --> 00:13:38,820 envisioning them and in motion and even 253 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:40,470 when you hear David talk about them 254 00:13:45,950 --> 00:13:42,990 there's something very cinematic about 255 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:45,960 them and all of the details mm-hmm and 256 00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:52,110 then just I contacted Farah and and the 257 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:54,480 publisher got David's phone number from 258 00:14:00,680 --> 00:13:57,000 them and gave him a call he was open to 259 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,690 the idea of the film and we just started 260 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:03,680 having conversations on the phone and 261 00:14:09,710 --> 00:14:06,060 that's when it was a you know reveal to 262 00:14:11,690 --> 00:14:09,720 me that David's the most just by 263 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:11,700 contrast to how crazy the the story 264 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:14,490 sounds at first blush he's just you know 265 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:17,360 a humble mild-mannered down-to-earth guy 266 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:21,570 that just happened to have these very 267 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:24,300 out of the ordinary experiences happen 268 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:27,450 to him well I know when we talked on the 269 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:30,450 phone Brad before you know you were you 270 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:33,650 were struck by you know how genuine 271 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:37,290 David came across to you and I guess 272 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:38,970 that's what the interest was it wasn't 273 00:14:44,449 --> 00:14:41,490 someone trying to get attention 274 00:14:47,059 --> 00:14:44,459 at all in fact he was kind of you know 275 00:14:50,809 --> 00:14:47,069 in obscurity in regards to these 276 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:50,819 particular paintings he wasn't really 277 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:53,519 that keen on on being out there in the 278 00:14:59,419 --> 00:14:56,970 public I am I think he's kind of a 279 00:15:01,850 --> 00:14:59,429 reluctant person in that way and which 280 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:01,860 adds to you know his credibility I would 281 00:15:10,970 --> 00:15:07,769 say right yeah it's always kind of a red 282 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:10,980 flag when someone's just all out there 283 00:15:16,939 --> 00:15:13,920 and and there was just something 284 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:16,949 authentic about gave it in the way he 285 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:20,160 told historian and just that he wasn't 286 00:15:25,540 --> 00:15:23,910 out there and it just so happened that 287 00:15:30,379 --> 00:15:25,550 he felt like it was the right time to 288 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:30,389 tell it yeah absolutely I think there is 289 00:15:35,869 --> 00:15:32,790 a timing for everything and there's 290 00:15:38,269 --> 00:15:35,879 probably more acceptance you know now 291 00:15:41,780 --> 00:15:38,279 than there would have been back in the 292 00:15:43,669 --> 00:15:41,790 eighties I would imagine now David when 293 00:15:46,910 --> 00:15:43,679 you're you you said you fathered 294 00:15:48,829 --> 00:15:46,920 children and in the chat room is buzzing 295 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:48,839 about the babies and the baby in the 296 00:15:56,090 --> 00:15:52,769 tube and and and the kids so can you 297 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:56,100 tell us a little bit about that how did 298 00:16:01,280 --> 00:15:58,290 you know you fathered children with it 299 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:01,290 and there is this woman and she says to 300 00:16:10,009 --> 00:16:05,459 me David the baby's dying and I go baby 301 00:16:13,249 --> 00:16:10,019 what baby your baby but it's dying and I 302 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:13,259 remember saying let me see my baby at 303 00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:14,610 first she wouldn't do it 304 00:16:18,859 --> 00:16:17,160 and then after a couple of times for 305 00:16:21,769 --> 00:16:18,869 after I had yelled it out 306 00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:21,779 she picked the baby up and she held the 307 00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:24,079 baby and took it out front of her I 308 00:16:30,619 --> 00:16:27,540 remember her lowering her head and then 309 00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:30,629 I said no no no don't hold the baby like 310 00:16:36,499 --> 00:16:32,959 that cradled the baby in your arms 311 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:36,509 listen I gotta get there she says no 312 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:39,420 it's not allowed I said my baby is dying 313 00:16:45,889 --> 00:16:42,959 and I can't get there watch this and I 314 00:16:47,869 --> 00:16:45,899 remember lying down on my bed and then I 315 00:16:54,980 --> 00:16:47,879 passed out and the next thing I know I'm 316 00:16:57,470 --> 00:16:54,990 there and I'm on I stand up and when 317 00:16:59,720 --> 00:16:57,480 the insect beings comes over to me and 318 00:17:01,070 --> 00:16:59,730 in the know certain turns he asked me 319 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:01,080 what am I doing here 320 00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:04,650 asses I want my baby my baby is dying I 321 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:07,860 want to see and touch my baby and at 322 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:11,130 first he said no and then I just got 323 00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:13,050 down on my knees and I begged him and 324 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:15,600 they were rather surprised as I did that 325 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:20,160 and then he acquiesced and he kicked me 326 00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:23,040 over to this woman who was holding a 327 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:25,559 baby in her arms now what was 328 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,569 interesting is that when I first saw 329 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:30,480 them there seemed to be a white screen 330 00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:32,490 in front of them like a black ink 331 00:17:39,310 --> 00:17:36,840 drawing like the hair the eyes and the 332 00:17:43,070 --> 00:17:39,320 arms but there was no detail 333 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:43,080 anyway I leaned forward and it all the 334 00:17:50,780 --> 00:17:45,330 screen disappeared and I saw them as 335 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:50,790 they were and I drew back and then the 336 00:17:55,730 --> 00:17:53,610 screen fill again and then I leaned 337 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:55,740 forward again and I reached over and 338 00:18:00,680 --> 00:17:57,690 that touched the baby 339 00:18:01,910 --> 00:18:00,690 and as I touched a baby a static I don't 340 00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:01,920 know what you would call it static 341 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:05,820 electricity jump from me to the baby and 342 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:08,910 I turned to the insect being and I said 343 00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:11,670 wow did you see that let me do that 344 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:12,120 again 345 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:18,450 result and then it was like everybody 346 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:23,970 got excited and the other insect beings 347 00:18:27,530 --> 00:18:25,980 they were gone maybe they had children 348 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:27,540 of their own I don't know but they were 349 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:30,510 gone and but the insect being that was 350 00:18:36,530 --> 00:18:33,720 with me turned and he like I knew I 351 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:36,540 should follow him and we go into this 352 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:39,120 other room and there are all these 353 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:42,090 babies in this room the stacked on top 354 00:18:50,110 --> 00:18:46,260 of each other and it's like whoa whose 355 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:50,120 babies are these and he points to me I 356 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:53,850 mean I got em all down how many were 357 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:54,330 there 358 00:19:00,010 --> 00:18:57,330 oh man I I can't give you an exact 359 00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:00,020 number I just know that there were a lot 360 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:03,840 like more than ten oh yes yes I would 361 00:19:09,789 --> 00:19:07,490 say like a hundred maybe I 362 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:09,799 chuckles actually to tell you I just 363 00:19:15,269 --> 00:19:12,049 know that there were so many babies in 364 00:19:19,570 --> 00:19:15,279 this room and they were all mine and 365 00:19:23,649 --> 00:19:19,580 what wound up doing is that I wound up 366 00:19:26,169 --> 00:19:23,659 touching all the babies for some reason 367 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:26,179 the human touch was very beneficial and 368 00:19:36,539 --> 00:19:30,770 and helped the babies in some way and 369 00:19:40,810 --> 00:19:36,549 the babies left Wow 370 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:40,820 now when you said you know he said don't 371 00:19:46,659 --> 00:19:43,460 hold the baby like that and he said to 372 00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:46,669 show her how to cradle the baby in her 373 00:19:54,130 --> 00:19:50,750 arms that kind of makes one think that 374 00:19:57,159 --> 00:19:54,140 perhaps they don't have to quite quite 375 00:20:02,440 --> 00:19:57,169 the same emotional makeup that human 376 00:20:06,730 --> 00:20:02,450 beings do I agree with that I agree with 377 00:20:09,070 --> 00:20:06,740 that I mean it was like when I told the 378 00:20:11,139 --> 00:20:09,080 woman crated the baby and the arm she 379 00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:11,149 was very interested in what I was doing 380 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,200 what I was trying to show her hmm 381 00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:17,360 and so when I saw her she had was 382 00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,200 holding the baby properly so you think 383 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:23,600 that from that point forward they sort 384 00:20:29,139 --> 00:20:26,110 of learned something from you as a human 385 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:29,149 about how to care for these hybrid 386 00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:32,500 babies yeah I would think so yes 387 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:37,070 and you know for those who are not 388 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:39,470 looking at the images could you describe 389 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,320 what the babies look like or like the 390 00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:44,240 baby that was presented to you first 391 00:20:52,810 --> 00:20:48,320 okay it had a large head 392 00:20:57,070 --> 00:20:52,820 large eyes this arms and legs were 393 00:21:02,620 --> 00:20:57,080 pencil-thin and they had a small you 394 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:02,630 know chest and abdomen but what struck 395 00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:06,190 me was how thin the arms and legs were 396 00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:15,020 hmm look human actually when I saw them 397 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:17,720 as babies no they didn't it was later 398 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:19,130 when I seldom do they look like 399 00:21:25,690 --> 00:21:20,770 half-human 400 00:21:30,610 --> 00:21:25,700 alien or whatever mmm and what did you 401 00:21:31,210 --> 00:21:30,620 feel yes would it baby it was kind of 402 00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:31,220 interesting 403 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:37,790 I was rather happy about it I mean I'd 404 00:21:45,790 --> 00:21:41,890 rather yeah right as a father I mean I 405 00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:45,800 mean what can I say yeah I mean I was I 406 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:50,540 was very happy about it that's that's 407 00:21:56,020 --> 00:21:53,210 really really interesting you know once 408 00:21:59,380 --> 00:21:56,030 you had this experience of them showing 409 00:22:01,690 --> 00:21:59,390 you the baby and then you saw all the 410 00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:01,700 babies in touch - all the babies then 411 00:22:06,370 --> 00:22:04,460 how did your experiences continue after 412 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:06,380 that were they pretty much in the same 413 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:10,910 rain or I usually it was kind of 414 00:22:17,050 --> 00:22:14,720 interesting I remember before I started 415 00:22:19,780 --> 00:22:17,060 remembering or during this time when I 416 00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:19,790 was having these experiences I would 417 00:22:25,090 --> 00:22:22,520 wake up in the morning and I'd hear this 418 00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:25,100 voice saying we'll be back tonight 419 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:29,870 and then I would forget it and this goes 420 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:32,330 on for a very long time until there was 421 00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:35,510 one time where I heard those words and 422 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:39,950 that time I did not forget I was having 423 00:22:46,990 --> 00:22:43,730 a very hard time during that day hmm and 424 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:47,000 what I did is that at the end of that 425 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:50,810 day I was going home and I was passing 426 00:23:00,220 --> 00:22:55,450 this florist and I thought to myself 427 00:23:03,010 --> 00:23:00,230 okay if this is real then I'll go inside 428 00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:03,020 and I'll buy some flowers and they had 429 00:23:09,730 --> 00:23:04,940 these pink supplements in the window 430 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:09,740 this is a late fall early winter and so 431 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:12,710 I go in and I buy the flowers and I take 432 00:23:19,660 --> 00:23:16,330 them home I put them on a bookshelf that 433 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:19,670 night I go to bed I don't remember a 434 00:23:27,250 --> 00:23:24,070 thing and I wake up in the morning and I 435 00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:27,260 turn to the bookshelf but there's 436 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,270 nothing on it and I felt I was sure that 437 00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:34,640 I had put something on the bookshop 438 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:37,300 I just could not remember what it was 439 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:39,530 but I had to get down to the Art 440 00:23:44,740 --> 00:23:42,110 Students League so I got dressed and 441 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:44,750 everything and I headed down and I 442 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:46,850 totally forgot about it as soon as I 443 00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:50,930 shut the door and I met the league I'm 444 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:53,390 working in the gallery and around 12:30 445 00:23:58,750 --> 00:23:56,030 it was lunchtime and somebody comes up 446 00:24:04,660 --> 00:23:58,760 to relieve me and I go down to the first 447 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:04,670 floor and I go to the back studios and I 448 00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:07,490 pass a Mariel C Cooper's watercolor 449 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:10,840 class and it is filled with flowers and 450 00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:14,690 suddenly I remember about me buying the 451 00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:16,670 flowers and putting them on the belts on 452 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:20,900 the bookshelf and her taking them and I 453 00:24:25,210 --> 00:24:23,330 remember saying she took the flowers 454 00:24:28,780 --> 00:24:25,220 this is real this is not some 455 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:28,790 imagination and then that's what 456 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:33,110 happened after that I started you know 457 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:35,950 going home after work and everything 458 00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,730 waiting for them wow that is wild you 459 00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,200 know I was gonna have to take a quick 460 00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:47,840 break but when we come back you know 461 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:49,790 with her here's some more from David 462 00:24:56,290 --> 00:24:52,880 Huggins the artist who's had you know 463 00:24:58,900 --> 00:24:56,300 practically lifelong experiences with 464 00:25:01,540 --> 00:24:58,910 strange things and bread Abraham's a 465 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:01,550 filmmaker who's documenting it all so 466 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:04,420 stay tuned and we shall be right back 467 00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:06,740 welcome back you're listening to night 468 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:09,080 vision radio I'm your host Renee Barnett 469 00:25:17,290 --> 00:25:12,490 and listening tonight our david huggins 470 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:17,300 outsider artist and lifelong ffb i guess 471 00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:19,490 we would call a contact he might be a 472 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:22,070 better word and Brett Abraham's the 473 00:25:29,950 --> 00:25:25,850 filmmaker who is documenting the whole 474 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:29,960 story so David back to your experiences 475 00:25:37,540 --> 00:25:34,130 with these alien woman now with all 476 00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:37,550 these babies I'm assuming that you 477 00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:41,990 didn't just have relations with one one 478 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:44,840 particular being it was different 479 00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:47,970 knowing that there were a few others 480 00:25:53,950 --> 00:25:51,030 I think what they were able to do is 481 00:25:57,770 --> 00:25:53,960 just take one sperm fertilize an egg and 482 00:26:00,620 --> 00:25:57,780 you know the baby is born that's the 483 00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:00,630 best way I could I can tell you like 484 00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:03,180 much more than that in the human way I 485 00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:09,720 guess little man and I mean I had known 486 00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:13,440 a few of them but Crescent was the main 487 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,100 woman that I had relationships with now 488 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:20,880 when you remember let's just take credit 489 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:25,170 for instance did you have an emotional 490 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:29,880 connection with her at first you know it 491 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:35,910 but it it involved and I mean I just got 492 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:39,390 to know her very well there was one time 493 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:41,850 where I got the impression she was 494 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:46,710 wearing a wig and I remember her taking 495 00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:48,930 the wig off and I saw her the way she 496 00:27:07,310 --> 00:26:59,360 that's really what I can all I can say 497 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:07,320 actually and remember the the sexual 498 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:10,440 aspect of it yes I do 499 00:27:15,650 --> 00:27:14,700 did it feel like you know he was just 500 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:15,660 having sex 501 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:18,450 was there something extra or something 502 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:20,910 different about it how did it make you 503 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:26,780 feel well there was a kind of foreplay 504 00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,690 that occurred where we wound up rubbing 505 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:32,720 our heads to eat with each other and 506 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:36,810 then we would have sex and actually it 507 00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:40,320 was quite pleasant and I got the 508 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:43,070 impression in the beginning it was very 509 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:48,240 well unemotional for her but then later 510 00:28:00,650 --> 00:27:56,610 it seemed quite very nice for her hmm so 511 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:00,660 did you ever feel that there was an 512 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:02,010 emotional attached 513 00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:07,070 for use by her or any of those beings 514 00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:10,860 about you I I just I know that they 515 00:28:15,019 --> 00:28:13,380 cared a great deal about me they saved 516 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:15,029 my life a couple of times 517 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:19,200 I know well there was one time when I 518 00:28:25,460 --> 00:28:23,970 was the kid we had a tool shed and me 519 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:25,470 and my brother we used to go underneath 520 00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:29,130 it and play and one morning I was about 521 00:28:33,259 --> 00:28:30,600 to go underneath it and one of the 522 00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:33,269 little greys came up from the opening 523 00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:36,299 which me and my brother had dug I get up 524 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:39,269 and I started running away and then I 525 00:28:44,629 --> 00:28:41,130 hear my name being called and I turn 526 00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:44,639 around and there is the woman so anyway 527 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:47,700 I go back to the tool shed she puts her 528 00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:51,210 arms around me and then as we watch I 529 00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:54,659 see a large black snake come out of the 530 00:29:01,039 --> 00:28:57,630 underneath the to shed about where I was 531 00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:01,049 about to go I mean it cuz I mean they 532 00:29:09,019 --> 00:29:03,870 could have been rather crazy for me I 533 00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:09,029 think and in snakes this went off into 534 00:29:18,259 --> 00:29:14,580 the grass and that was it oh that's 535 00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:18,269 really round now yeah these beings you 536 00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:20,100 know you said you sort of saw beyond 537 00:29:25,220 --> 00:29:23,190 behind the veil basically and when you 538 00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:25,230 saw that you said I saw them as they 539 00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:28,980 really were and was that when you saw 540 00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:33,720 them as these insectoid beings like 541 00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,179 basically three or four types of beings 542 00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:38,159 that I know of there are these 543 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:40,590 insect-like beings that resemble praying 544 00:29:47,060 --> 00:29:43,049 mantis there are the females 545 00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:47,070 there is another person who I don't know 546 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:49,320 he seems to be in charge of what's going 547 00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,760 on he's rather tall very thin and he has 548 00:30:01,930 --> 00:29:55,919 like a nob growing up on the back of his 549 00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:01,940 head and then there is the let me see 550 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:08,100 with a little grace mm-hmm and they all 551 00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:15,450 seemed happy remember where he 552 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:17,160 whether any of these beings that look 553 00:30:25,550 --> 00:30:20,730 human but you knew that they were not uh 554 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:25,560 I can't say yes to them no IIIi really 555 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:28,140 don't remember anything like that you 556 00:30:32,270 --> 00:30:30,210 hear people describing you know people 557 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:32,280 that looked Nordic you know these blond 558 00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:34,890 beautiful beings you also hear people 559 00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:36,980 when they talk about their experiences 560 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,240 sometimes they'll see someone who seems 561 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:41,940 to be like a military person around but 562 00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:44,210 it was really just you and the beings 563 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:48,390 and yeah that was it not really human 564 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:51,570 intervention into that right if I had 565 00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:52,710 met some humans 566 00:30:59,660 --> 00:30:57,960 I have not remembered it hmm and before 567 00:31:04,910 --> 00:30:59,670 you started to paint 568 00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:04,920 did you see these experiences or of 569 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:07,230 whatever it was that you were able to 570 00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:10,770 remember as being something really scary 571 00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:13,500 or did you see there's something really 572 00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:19,080 wonderful or just puzzling actually I 573 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:22,380 often think of it as being scary and 574 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:25,650 wonderful at the same time yeah I 575 00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,290 but afterwards you know and it got to be 576 00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:38,220 um I don't know just something that had 577 00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:39,720 happened you know it was just something 578 00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:42,540 that was going on with me I wasn't 579 00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:48,060 bothered by it well you know obviously 580 00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:52,140 these guys were in control oh yes yes no 581 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:54,360 doubt about it I mean I haven't see him 582 00:32:00,460 --> 00:31:57,570 about that well cause he was sort of 583 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:00,470 like unwittingly being taken along here 584 00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:04,140 in this experience well I don't know I 585 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:06,660 often think he was really kinda up to me 586 00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,260 I remember there was one time when the 587 00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,240 little actor I had had sex with one of 588 00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:14,700 the women I was getting ready to go to 589 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:17,280 school and the little hairy guy came up 590 00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:20,820 to my room and he was just looking at me 591 00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:22,710 and he said David can we use your body 592 00:32:29,150 --> 00:32:26,460 and I said yeah you can use it as much 593 00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:29,160 as you like I had mentioned 594 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:33,150 to Hopkins and he said something which I 595 00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,190 thought was very interesting he says are 596 00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:38,220 you a program to say that and then I 597 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:39,900 says well you may be right 598 00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:43,140 all I know is that they asked me mm-hmm 599 00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:45,660 and so you did actually connect with by 600 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:48,980 Hopkins it was folia one of the original 601 00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:52,980 alien abduction researchers in New York 602 00:33:01,360 --> 00:32:57,270 there and he was a hypnotherapist and an 603 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:01,370 artist as well as you know I'm sure and 604 00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,490 he did a lot of work in that area so I 605 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:07,860 was hoping that you had met up with 606 00:33:16,910 --> 00:33:13,370 buddy he's great guy by the way and so 607 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:16,920 did you feel like meeting up with bud in 608 00:33:22,010 --> 00:33:19,890 anyone else that it either had 609 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:22,020 experienced similar experiences or 610 00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:23,970 worked with people that had similar 611 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:25,920 experiences did that make you feel 612 00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:28,350 better as far as what was happening to 613 00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,540 you the only one I guess is this yeah it 614 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:36,720 was I was feeling better and I did go to 615 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:40,650 some goods were people had other things 616 00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:43,110 our experiences as you may call them and 617 00:33:53,060 --> 00:33:45,870 I told them my story and I just felt 618 00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:53,070 better afterwards hmm that's it that's 619 00:33:57,890 --> 00:33:55,400 interesting and did he hypnotized your 620 00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,900 unusual beings we won't call them 621 00:34:02,000 --> 00:33:59,700 extraterrestrial because we don't really 622 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:02,010 know could be interdimensional they 623 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,690 could be living right here in our space 624 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:06,720 just right behind the rail we just don't 625 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,649 know but david has been documenting his 626 00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:12,720 experiences in his paintings for a 627 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,030 number of years now and there are quite 628 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:17,040 interesting if you guessed them then 629 00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,370 please click on the chat room and in the 630 00:34:27,110 --> 00:34:23,520 live chat room we are posting lots of 631 00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:27,120 pictures that David has painted of his 632 00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:28,740 experiences and they're really quite 633 00:34:32,899 --> 00:34:31,620 interesting now though I'm going to 634 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:32,909 start getting into some of the questions 635 00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:35,250 from the chat room and as I was telling 636 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:37,950 you both during the break you know sort 637 00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:39,450 of been incorporating some of them as 638 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:42,540 we've gone along but 639 00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:45,060 bill in New York would like to know if 640 00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,030 you ever suffered any painful events 641 00:34:54,140 --> 00:34:51,240 from any of the examinations well there 642 00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:54,150 is only one there's only one time where 643 00:34:59,090 --> 00:34:57,180 I had a painful event I was eight years 644 00:35:02,360 --> 00:34:59,100 old 645 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:02,370 the little little graze was standing 646 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:04,290 outside my window they come inside they 647 00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:09,570 take me out and we float up to some type 648 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:15,150 of vehicle and I go inside and there is 649 00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:19,920 the woman Crescent and there was this 650 00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:21,840 little grey guy with me and I look at 651 00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:25,440 him us asking if she is his mom he gives 652 00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:27,540 me a wink of a smile the woman smiles 653 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:31,080 also and then I notice that she has some 654 00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:34,530 type of rod in her hand and she inserts 655 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:39,150 it up my nostril hmm and she took it out 656 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:41,970 and I remember saying you hurt me you 657 00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:45,450 hurt me it hurts and then she says make 658 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:46,440 the pain go away 659 00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:48,930 as far as I know that was the only time 660 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:53,390 well her I have ever known any pain hmm 661 00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:56,970 well in Neutron and the chantry wants to 662 00:36:00,490 --> 00:35:59,370 know if you've ever experienced it if 663 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:00,500 you've ever had an out-of-body 664 00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:01,620 experience 665 00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:05,960 during an encounter I I would say yes 666 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:11,400 that time where I had when the woman had 667 00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:12,330 said to me 668 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:14,760 the baby was dying and I says listen I 669 00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:16,260 got to get there and I wasn't I laid 670 00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,220 down on my bed and I passed out and the 671 00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:22,560 next thing I know is that I'm there I'm 672 00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:25,020 thinking that was an out of the body 673 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:31,500 experience oh yeah I I remember that 674 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,910 story I recall you telling out a few 675 00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:34,680 minutes ago and that that did sound like 676 00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:35,790 that's what I mean you kind of just 677 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:39,320 zoomed out right yeah I mean I I just 678 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:41,910 passed out and the next thing I knew I 679 00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:49,650 was there wherever there is hmm and and 680 00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:50,940 bill also wants to know if you've 681 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:54,420 suffered any physical anomalies from 682 00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:56,450 this relationship in 683 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:02,000 any physical effects no I'm quite 684 00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:09,050 healthy I don't get colds I rarely if 685 00:37:17,230 --> 00:37:13,760 ever gets sick no I'm quite healthy do 686 00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:17,240 you feel that your connection with them 687 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:20,630 has sort of boosted your health or your 688 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:23,930 immune system or well there was an 689 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:27,410 incident that occurred where after I had 690 00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:29,630 touched all the babies that I had 691 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:33,440 mentioned before the next morning when I 692 00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:38,090 woke up I was so weak I could barely 693 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:41,300 move a friend of mine who lived down but 694 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:44,110 old me came up and she's not gonna be 695 00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,260 heartless I feel bad so she made some 696 00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:51,920 soup for me as anyway I think in bed all 697 00:37:58,770 --> 00:37:53,870 day and that night I am left the 698 00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:58,780 insect-like being and there is this room 699 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:01,760 which I had to go inside it was filled 700 00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,760 with light and he wanted me to go inside 701 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:09,680 at first I didn't because I got the 702 00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,210 impression that what I was looking at 703 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:14,480 could think I don't know how to say it 704 00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:18,110 but anyway I do go inside this room and 705 00:38:23,650 --> 00:38:20,900 there is all this light and it just 706 00:38:27,010 --> 00:38:23,660 fills me and the next morning when I 707 00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:27,020 wake up I am fit as a fiddle I feel like 708 00:38:38,839 --> 00:38:30,440 I could jump over a car and then this 709 00:38:46,349 --> 00:38:43,549 when you communicated with the beings 710 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:46,359 were you just talking to them and so as 711 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:48,130 you'd be talking to me and did they 712 00:38:54,779 --> 00:38:51,369 speak back to you they would talk back 713 00:38:56,489 --> 00:38:54,789 but I think it was like telepathy hmm I 714 00:39:00,689 --> 00:38:56,499 could understand them and they could 715 00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:00,699 understand me and were you talking out 716 00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:03,699 loud to them or were you yes I would 717 00:39:08,789 --> 00:39:06,599 knock out loud I would talk out loud 718 00:39:10,589 --> 00:39:08,799 unusual beings we won't call them 719 00:39:12,899 --> 00:39:10,599 extraterrestrial because we don't really 720 00:39:14,579 --> 00:39:12,909 know could be interdimensional they 721 00:39:17,609 --> 00:39:14,589 could be living right here in our space 722 00:39:21,539 --> 00:39:17,619 just right behind the rail we just don't 723 00:39:23,609 --> 00:39:21,549 know but david has been documenting his 724 00:39:25,919 --> 00:39:23,619 experiences in his paintings for a 725 00:39:28,729 --> 00:39:25,929 number of years now and there are quite 726 00:39:31,439 --> 00:39:28,739 interesting if you get to again please 727 00:39:34,409 --> 00:39:31,449 click on the chat room and in the live 728 00:39:37,979 --> 00:39:34,419 chat room we are posting lots of 729 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:37,989 pictures that david has painted of his 730 00:39:42,809 --> 00:39:39,729 experiences and they're really quite 731 00:39:44,309 --> 00:39:42,819 interesting now David I'm going to start 732 00:39:46,499 --> 00:39:44,319 getting into some of the questions from 733 00:39:48,929 --> 00:39:46,509 the chat room and as I was telling you 734 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:48,939 both during the break you know sort of 735 00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:50,529 been incorporating some of them as we've 736 00:39:57,329 --> 00:39:54,819 gone along but bill in New York would 737 00:39:59,669 --> 00:39:57,339 like to know if you ever suffered any 738 00:40:02,969 --> 00:39:59,679 painful events from any of the 739 00:40:05,489 --> 00:40:02,979 examinations well there is only one 740 00:40:10,319 --> 00:40:05,499 there's only one time where I had a 741 00:40:13,409 --> 00:40:10,329 painful event I was 8 years old the 742 00:40:15,569 --> 00:40:13,419 little little greys was standing outside 743 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:15,579 my window they come inside they take me 744 00:40:26,279 --> 00:40:20,609 out and we float up to some type of 745 00:40:30,989 --> 00:40:26,289 vehicle and I go inside and there is the 746 00:40:33,029 --> 00:40:30,999 woman crescent and there was this little 747 00:40:36,479 --> 00:40:33,039 grey guy with me and I look at him us 748 00:40:39,059 --> 00:40:36,489 asking if she is his mom he gives me a 749 00:40:42,179 --> 00:40:39,069 wink of a smile the woman smiles also 750 00:40:45,749 --> 00:40:42,189 and then I notice that she has some type 751 00:40:51,179 --> 00:40:45,759 of rod in her hand and she inserts it up 752 00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:51,189 my nostril hmm and she took it out and I 753 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:51,820 remember 754 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:54,370 you hurt me you hurt me it hurts and 755 00:41:00,090 --> 00:40:57,610 that she says make the pain go away 756 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:00,100 as far as I know that was the only time 757 00:41:07,860 --> 00:41:04,290 well her I have ever known any pain hmm 758 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,870 well in Neutron and the Chantry wants to 759 00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:10,240 know if you've ever experienced if 760 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:11,140 you've ever had an out-of-body 761 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:16,210 experience during an encounter I I would 762 00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:21,850 say yes that time well I had when the 763 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:23,230 woman has said to me 764 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:25,660 the baby was dying and I says listen I 765 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:26,950 got to get there and I wouldn't have 766 00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:30,730 laid down on my bed and I passed out and 767 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:33,070 the next thing I know is that I'm there 768 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:35,890 I'm thinking that was an out of the body 769 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:42,370 experience oh yeah I I remember that 770 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:43,810 story I recall you telling that a few 771 00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:45,670 minutes ago and that that did sound like 772 00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:46,660 that's what I mean you kind of just 773 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:50,220 zoomed out right yeah I I mean I I just 774 00:42:00,750 --> 00:41:52,810 passed out and the next thing I knew I 775 00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:00,760 was there forever there is hmm and Bill 776 00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:02,380 also wants to know if you've suffered 777 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:06,040 any physical anomalies from this 778 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:11,200 relationship any any physical effects no 779 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:18,790 I'm quite healthy I don't get colds I 780 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:22,720 rarely if ever gets sick no I'm quite 781 00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:27,730 healthy do you feel that your connection 782 00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:30,790 with them has sort of boosted your 783 00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,150 health or your immune system or well 784 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:36,060 there was an incident that occurred 785 00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:39,430 where after I had touched all the babies 786 00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:43,840 that I had mentioned before the next 787 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:47,700 morning when I woke up I was so weak I 788 00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:51,370 could barely move a friend of mine who 789 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:53,800 lived down but all of me came up and 790 00:43:00,180 --> 00:42:57,130 snuck over to actually harvest I feel 791 00:43:03,570 --> 00:43:00,190 bad so she made some soup for me in any 792 00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:03,580 way I lived in bed all day and that 793 00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:04,790 night I am left 794 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:09,700 insect-like being and there is this room 795 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:12,650 which I had to go inside it was filled 796 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:18,650 with light and he wanted me to go inside 797 00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:20,570 at first I didn't because I got the 798 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:22,070 impression that what I was looking at 799 00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:25,370 could think I don't know how to say it 800 00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,000 but anyway I do go inside this room and 801 00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:32,000 there is all this light and it just 802 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:34,550 fills me and the next morning when I 803 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:37,910 wake up I am fit as a fiddle I feel like 804 00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:41,330 I could jump over a car and then this 805 00:43:57,490 --> 00:43:54,450 mm when you communicated with the beings 806 00:43:59,620 --> 00:43:57,500 were you just talking to them as you'd 807 00:44:02,890 --> 00:43:59,630 be talking to me and did they speak back 808 00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:02,900 to you they would talk back but I think 809 00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:05,750 it was like telepathy hmm I could 810 00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:07,400 understand them and they could 811 00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:11,600 understand me and were you talking out 812 00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:14,600 loud to them or were you yes I would 813 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:17,270 knock out loud I would talk out loud did 814 00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:19,370 you continue to see the babies do you 815 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:23,630 still see the children yes I did I saw 816 00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:26,090 the children growing up these 817 00:44:33,220 --> 00:44:28,760 experiences that I had lasted for years 818 00:44:36,250 --> 00:44:33,230 and I would see the children at 819 00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:36,260 different stages as babies as toddlers 820 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:43,310 as children and as adults and how did 821 00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:45,410 they respond to you as children and 822 00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:49,460 adults Wow I mean there was one time 823 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:51,110 where I was playing hide-and-seek with 824 00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:53,630 the children they seemed very happy that 825 00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:57,140 I was out there playing with them hmm 826 00:45:04,090 --> 00:45:01,040 they talk to you you know I don't 827 00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:04,100 remember them talking to me so much as 828 00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:07,310 we were just playing if they said 829 00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:10,270 something I can't remember what it was 830 00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:14,960 hmm and this question that I think 831 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:16,790 you've already answered actually from 832 00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:18,530 from carols yes that 833 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:21,320 on that we kept it and have you ever 834 00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:23,810 undergone any hypnosis to retrieve more 835 00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:27,230 detail no I haven't I haven't gone 836 00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:30,230 through any hypnosis at all is there on 837 00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,980 purpose well you know you're laying I 838 00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:36,560 kind of think it is I mean if there is a 839 00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:39,380 memory that I'm going to remember then 840 00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:41,390 let it come in its own time I don't want 841 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:48,590 to force it mmm yeah yeah and then what 842 00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:51,050 about other members of your family and 843 00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:54,080 you know close people close to you 844 00:46:00,010 --> 00:45:58,070 how have they reacted once you started 845 00:46:04,180 --> 00:46:00,020 remembering and doing these paintings 846 00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:04,190 that they said to you oh gee yeah I I 847 00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:06,470 saw that myself or I remember something 848 00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:08,150 I mean you know a lot of times you hear 849 00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:11,780 these things being generational and you 850 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:13,790 know it was happened to the parents and 851 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:15,170 then it happens to the kids and then 852 00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:19,010 their kids and I as far as I know I'm 853 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:20,750 the only one in my family that's had 854 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:25,010 these experiences I don't remember my 855 00:46:30,430 --> 00:46:26,930 brother or my two sisters having any 856 00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,440 experiences at all and how do they feel 857 00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:33,440 about you having had these experiences 858 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:37,430 or feeling that you have 859 00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,490 well me well I don't know how to really 860 00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:42,800 say it but you know they kind of think 861 00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:43,880 I'm a little strange 862 00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:47,030 yeah but they take it for what it's 863 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:52,910 worth and but you know it's like me it's 864 00:46:57,550 --> 00:46:55,010 funny because you know you do run into 865 00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:57,560 some people who claim to have these 866 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:00,500 experiences and it doesn't seem like you 867 00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:02,210 know they've got other troubles you know 868 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:04,040 that they they have some psychological 869 00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:07,130 problems or something like that but it 870 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:09,830 sounds to me like you're pretty 871 00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:12,770 down-to-earth guy pardon the pun you 872 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:16,340 know and I know from my conversations 873 00:47:22,660 --> 00:47:18,770 with Brad you know that was his thing is 874 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:22,670 you know he just a genuine guy he's very 875 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:26,690 down-to-earth you know it would it would 876 00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:29,510 seem you know sort of interesting or 877 00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:32,180 difficult I guess to understand from 878 00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:35,510 person like you you know who in all 879 00:47:40,829 --> 00:47:37,849 these facts is it's you know just a 880 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:40,839 regular person but just as he's 881 00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,089 incredibly extraordinary events 882 00:47:49,329 --> 00:47:46,240 occurring in their lives 883 00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:49,339 yeah you know there it isn't just me 884 00:47:58,089 --> 00:47:53,119 there are so many others who or who are 885 00:48:00,490 --> 00:47:58,099 having experiences and they seem to be 886 00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:00,500 doing pretty well at least the ones that 887 00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:02,510 I know yes 888 00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:06,440 so you know I mean it isn't just me yes 889 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:08,329 I don't know it could be millions of 890 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:09,770 other people who are having these 891 00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:14,329 experiences it I mean I don't know what 892 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:15,160 else to say 893 00:48:23,470 --> 00:48:20,930 you were you ever able to find out you 894 00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:23,480 know exactly what it is that they are 895 00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:27,680 trying to do and you know what they're 896 00:48:34,809 --> 00:48:32,270 sort of final I I guess you know we were 897 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:34,819 talking about possibilities of you know 898 00:48:39,579 --> 00:48:36,890 their physiology sort of breaking down 899 00:48:41,470 --> 00:48:39,589 and they needed to strengthen it or you 900 00:48:44,109 --> 00:48:41,480 know other people have sort of put out a 901 00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:44,119 theory that you know they they're going 902 00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:46,520 to their planet is dying and they're 903 00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,390 going to have to to move to earth and so 904 00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,400 they have to develop these you know at 905 00:48:58,650 --> 00:48:55,520 least half human bodies in order to live 906 00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:58,660 in our atmosphere and this and the other 907 00:49:09,069 --> 00:49:02,240 it has any of that ever come up in any 908 00:49:27,970 --> 00:49:09,079 of your dealings did you ask them why 909 00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:27,980 are you why are you doing this I see now 910 00:49:31,329 --> 00:49:28,609 Brad 911 00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:31,339 with the movie that you have coming up 912 00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:33,619 can you give us out your website please 913 00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:37,430 so we can all have a look and all the 914 00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:38,990 listeners can check out the trailer 915 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:42,740 sure yeah just my name Brad Abraham's 916 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:46,160 net and that's at the site that 917 00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:51,050 for my commercial work but there's a 918 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:52,790 link to the trailer there and there's 919 00:49:59,230 --> 00:49:55,490 not really any info up yet just the 920 00:50:02,790 --> 00:49:59,240 trailer and a few photos and that's 921 00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:02,800 Abraham's with an S on the end yeah 922 00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:08,030 Abraham's com that's ring and I got net 923 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:12,320 oh thanks for pointing that out and so 924 00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:15,050 what are the plans now I know that you 925 00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:16,040 know you're working on a lot of 926 00:50:21,850 --> 00:50:18,860 different things and I think you kind of 927 00:50:24,310 --> 00:50:21,860 got a little bit of a surprise once the 928 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:24,320 word about this project started getting 929 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:25,970 out and how much attention it was 930 00:50:34,810 --> 00:50:32,050 actually gaining yeah I shot with David 931 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:34,820 just over a year ago I spent a few days 932 00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,090 with him and shot a pretty good amount 933 00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:40,640 of material probably enough for about a 934 00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:42,950 third of the project or a little more 935 00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:43,520 than that 936 00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:45,590 and then just yeah there things took 937 00:50:51,450 --> 00:50:49,280 over and it's sort of laying dormant but 938 00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:51,460 there's there's definitely a lot of 939 00:50:59,110 --> 00:50:56,230 inspiration and impetus to continue now 940 00:51:02,200 --> 00:50:59,120 that's right yeah probably going the 941 00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:02,210 route of crowdfunding at some point in 942 00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:03,700 the near future 943 00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:09,440 IndieGoGo here we come absolutely we do 944 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:12,110 let us know you know because you know we 945 00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:13,610 we all want to see this kind of 946 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:16,340 information coming out and we're 947 00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:18,890 interested in that so you know people 948 00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:20,600 get behind projects that they believe in 949 00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:22,460 right and if they want to see come to 950 00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:24,830 fruition so you know it's a good way to 951 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:29,060 go I had some success with that myself 952 00:51:33,070 --> 00:51:31,010 on projects can then I've had some 953 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:33,080 friends of it you know done bigger 954 00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:35,690 projects and funded him on IndieGoGo and 955 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:38,350 had great success with that so good luck 956 00:51:45,310 --> 00:51:42,290 with that you know in lieu of getting a 957 00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:45,320 network to pick up on it immediately and 958 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:46,430 fund it themselves 959 00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:50,330 that's a good way to go right yeah now 960 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:53,710 so did you say you just did some filming 961 00:51:58,810 --> 00:51:56,810 yeah we did we did filming a year ago 962 00:51:59,680 --> 00:51:58,820 that and that's what's in the trailer 963 00:52:01,210 --> 00:51:59,690 I'm 964 00:52:04,089 --> 00:52:01,220 what we're seeing in the trailer yeah 965 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:04,099 and and there's a lot more probably 966 00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:06,770 enough for you know 20 or 30 minutes of 967 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:09,740 content that that David and I had had 968 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:13,250 done together and still need to shoot a 969 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:14,569 little more with him more of his 970 00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:17,569 paintings as well as also looping other 971 00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,710 people in just to get a sort of larger 972 00:52:26,260 --> 00:52:24,079 perspective about what's going on or 973 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:26,270 what could be going on and in David's 974 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:31,130 case hmm and David is it's a film 975 00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:34,490 something that that you wanted to do or 976 00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:36,560 you're reluctant to do it you know did 977 00:52:42,099 --> 00:52:38,420 Brad have to twist your arm and it gets 978 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:42,109 happen no nothing like that 979 00:52:48,190 --> 00:52:45,130 I mean I would like to do a film of it 980 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:48,200 I'm basically kind of working on a 981 00:52:58,329 --> 00:52:53,690 script now all your feet for feature 982 00:53:00,550 --> 00:52:58,339 film yeah all wonderful and just it has 983 00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:00,560 a lot of the experiences that I had in 984 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:07,520 the script and so I've been working out 985 00:53:11,290 --> 00:53:09,890 that there's one thing I learned about 986 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:11,300 writing a film script 987 00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:16,250 it is hard everybody says it is 988 00:53:20,829 --> 00:53:19,310 difficult it really is well I'd be 989 00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:20,839 interested to see it once you're done 990 00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:23,900 all that'd be really interesting and I 991 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:27,470 know Brad's probably going to be helping 992 00:53:33,490 --> 00:53:30,170 out with that as well and he's he's 993 00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:33,500 writing it by hand oh my goodness well 994 00:53:39,569 --> 00:53:37,220 that is hard yeah just like I mean when 995 00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,579 I started writing it in the wrong hand I 996 00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:41,839 started remembering things that I had 997 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:49,089 forgotten oh yeah yeah I was gripped I 998 00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:52,930 can see how that might might work yeah 999 00:53:59,140 --> 00:53:56,480 you start working on it and then more 1000 00:54:02,550 --> 00:53:59,150 stuff starts sort of telling you were 1001 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:02,560 through yeah absolutely 1002 00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:06,530 seriously last experience that you 1003 00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,790 remember in when was it it was as the 1004 00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:13,040 last one I experienced was a couple of 1005 00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:13,310 years 1006 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:17,390 ago that I remember I had a painting 1007 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:22,490 which was called the the alien in the 1008 00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:25,610 envelope plastic envelopes and they had 1009 00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:28,760 gotten damaged and I was retouching 1010 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:30,320 getting I was working on it and I was 1011 00:54:35,110 --> 00:54:32,930 thinking to myself I wonder if they 1012 00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:35,120 still use these bodies anymore 1013 00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:38,630 and that night when I go to sleep I find 1014 00:54:42,550 --> 00:54:40,520 myself with these beings and they look 1015 00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:42,560 quite human and they said David we have 1016 00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:47,270 new bodies now hmm 1017 00:54:55,930 --> 00:54:50,180 and in May you said they looked human 1018 00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:55,940 yes they did in the eyes and yeah yeah 1019 00:55:01,300 --> 00:54:58,250 they just looked human I mean I mean I 1020 00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:01,310 don't know what else to say and they 1021 00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:10,060 have erections what did they make you 1022 00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:12,380 how that how that happened how did they 1023 00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:16,430 get the new bodies I don't know I mean 1024 00:55:25,570 --> 00:55:20,630 it was like you know the but but 1025 00:55:27,250 --> 00:55:25,580 children that I fathered that's the only 1026 00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:27,260 way I can put it I really just don't 1027 00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:30,110 know I just find it unusual that they 1028 00:55:37,870 --> 00:55:34,600 should say David we had new bodies now 1029 00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:37,880 now these children you said you followed 1030 00:55:46,180 --> 00:55:40,940 some right up into adulthood 1031 00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:46,190 yes and in when they were older young 1032 00:55:53,590 --> 00:55:51,230 adults did they understand the 1033 00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:53,600 relationship with you and who you were 1034 00:56:03,690 --> 00:55:59,330 and yes they did as a matter of fact I 1035 00:56:08,110 --> 00:56:03,700 remember a time where I saw several 1036 00:56:11,110 --> 00:56:08,120 young people are walking along and I 1037 00:56:14,830 --> 00:56:11,120 pick out this one kid one young man and 1038 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:14,840 he comes over to me and we just look 1039 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:16,370 each other at each other I'm rather 1040 00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:20,330 embarrassed I think he is too and I 1041 00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:23,260 remember him saying I'm your son and 1042 00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:26,510 then that was it I didn't hug him or 1043 00:56:29,050 --> 00:56:27,200 anything 1044 00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:29,060 then he turned as he was turning away as 1045 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:32,329 his son you take care of yourself and he 1046 00:56:40,510 --> 00:56:37,130 nodded his head and that was it how'd 1047 00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:40,520 that make you feel was it sad or was it 1048 00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:44,270 boy no I mean I wasn't fed it was just 1049 00:56:52,780 --> 00:56:47,900 the way it was I mean he had lived there 1050 00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:52,790 I had lived here and he said the last 1051 00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:54,740 experience he remembered was two years 1052 00:57:00,400 --> 00:56:58,940 ago yes if I'm having the experiences I 1053 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:00,410 have not remembered them 1054 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:03,490 you've not remember them yet isolate 1055 00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:06,770 that's your sense that that they are 1056 00:57:12,910 --> 00:57:09,380 ongoing or do you feel that you know you 1057 00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:12,920 sort of like you're ongoing but they're 1058 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:15,380 not as frequent as they were they're 1059 00:57:24,730 --> 00:57:19,730 very infrequent now I mean I'm 71 years 1060 00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:24,740 old and all I can say is that's that you 1061 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:27,980 know that's that if I remember something 1062 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:30,170 I mean if I had remember something say 1063 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:33,050 from last week I would tell you but I 1064 00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:37,690 just don't remember right and really 1065 00:57:46,180 --> 00:57:42,310 sort of your entire experience you know 1066 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:46,190 basically has been it seemed the reason 1067 00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:48,050 for was fathering these children 1068 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:51,430 bringing these children into creation 1069 00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:55,250 mmm there was a very kind of funny 1070 00:58:01,690 --> 00:57:59,750 episode that I remember where there were 1071 00:58:05,319 --> 00:58:01,700 several women they were holding babies 1072 00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:05,329 and one of the women was sitting down 1073 00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:07,700 and she took her breast out from her 1074 00:58:16,329 --> 00:58:12,710 gown and she was like trying to tell me 1075 00:58:18,220 --> 00:58:16,339 that she can't give milk and I said I 1076 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:18,230 don't understand I mean you have a baby 1077 00:58:24,220 --> 00:58:21,290 you should be able to so what happened 1078 00:58:26,829 --> 00:58:24,230 is that I asked if I could nurse on her 1079 00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:26,839 breast maybe I could stimulate the 1080 00:58:33,940 --> 00:58:31,300 glands or whatever it didn't work and 1081 00:58:37,210 --> 00:58:33,950 she was looking at me I was rather 1082 00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:37,220 embarrassed by it and then somebody 1083 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:41,119 comes over with a bow just like I was 24 1084 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:44,089 five years old I thought as if I was a 1085 00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:47,650 baby and it was basically instinctual 1086 00:58:53,859 --> 00:58:51,950 and after I had finished they get it 1087 00:58:56,739 --> 00:58:53,869 again and they place one of the babies 1088 00:59:03,069 --> 00:58:56,749 on her breast and the baby started 1089 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:03,079 nursing the food mm-hmm I don't maybe 1090 00:59:09,279 --> 00:59:04,730 maybe there's a certain empathy or 1091 00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:09,289 whatever but it's my babies knew how to 1092 00:59:17,289 --> 00:59:14,680 nurse after I had started nursing Wow 1093 00:59:20,259 --> 00:59:17,299 well he said they placed a bowl 1094 00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,269 something on her breast they took in 1095 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:22,880 some type of dark liquid and then 1096 00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:24,410 smeared it on her breast 1097 00:59:31,539 --> 00:59:28,609 oh and then I felt this head somebody 1098 00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:31,549 pushing my head forward and I started 1099 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:34,670 nursing on her breast but I didn't feel 1100 00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:39,170 like a young adult I really felt as if 1101 00:59:47,249 --> 00:59:42,710 for an instant I was a baby feeding on 1102 00:59:50,739 --> 00:59:47,259 my mother's breast mm-hmm it was weird 1103 00:59:55,059 --> 00:59:50,749 was there a taste I'm sorry 1104 00:59:57,849 --> 00:59:55,069 was there a taste to get waxed okay no 1105 01:00:01,059 --> 00:59:57,859 remember a taste no I don't I don't 1106 01:00:04,380 --> 01:00:01,069 remember a taste it's like your senses 1107 01:00:09,309 --> 01:00:04,390 are subdued when you're around them 1108 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:09,319 mm-hmm so you feel like you know all 1109 01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:11,450 your senses were sort of subdued in 1110 01:00:15,999 --> 01:00:13,700 including you know your excitability and 1111 01:00:16,749 --> 01:00:16,009 all that sort of thing it was probably 1112 01:00:19,089 --> 01:00:16,759 overrated 1113 01:00:22,569 --> 01:00:19,099 you know keep people from freaking out I 1114 01:00:24,460 --> 01:00:22,579 guess oh yeah and yeah I mean yeah I 1115 01:00:26,589 --> 01:00:24,470 mean I think I would have freaked out if 1116 01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:26,599 there was a certain amount of control 1117 01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,230 over me right right it might have been a 1118 01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:36,079 more unpleasant experience had it not 1119 01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:37,910 been for that in a way I guess in a way 1120 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:39,950 it's sort of you know you throw up oh 1121 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:42,890 gee I'm being controlled in another way 1122 01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:44,930 it's like but if I wasn't I would be 1123 01:00:54,279 --> 01:00:51,049 totally wigging out right now so they 1124 01:00:58,179 --> 01:00:54,289 might have been doing you a favor oh yes 1125 01:01:01,329 --> 01:00:58,189 I think so and now you know at the end 1126 01:01:04,689 --> 01:01:01,339 of the day how do you feel about the 1127 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:04,699 total experience are you do you marvel 1128 01:01:08,859 --> 01:01:07,130 at it are you glad that it happened do 1129 01:01:12,699 --> 01:01:08,869 you kind of wish it out of more normal 1130 01:01:15,759 --> 01:01:12,709 existence actually you know I mean if 1131 01:01:19,179 --> 01:01:15,769 anything is kind of this kind of help me 1132 01:01:24,729 --> 01:01:19,189 in a way I mean I just don't look upon 1133 01:01:26,469 --> 01:01:24,739 life as just normal whatever life is I 1134 01:01:30,279 --> 01:01:26,479 just like that I know that there is 1135 01:01:32,349 --> 01:01:30,289 something more to life and I'm not 1136 01:01:34,479 --> 01:01:32,359 talking about any religious or anything 1137 01:01:39,069 --> 01:01:34,489 there's just something about living your 1138 01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,079 life as best as you know how and you 1139 01:01:44,859 --> 01:01:41,599 know like that the messages they convey 1140 01:01:46,749 --> 01:01:44,869 to you or that's just what you do on 1141 01:01:50,859 --> 01:01:46,759 your own from the whole experience I 1142 01:01:53,099 --> 01:01:50,869 think from the experiences you know I do 1143 01:01:59,439 --> 01:01:53,109 it on my own 1144 01:02:02,140 --> 01:01:59,449 did they ever have a message that you 1145 01:02:06,729 --> 01:02:02,150 know they wanted you to deliver to 1146 01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:06,739 people or anything like that well there 1147 01:02:14,859 --> 01:02:12,439 was this one time where as a kid on some 1148 01:02:17,739 --> 01:02:14,869 type of ship or whatever it is I have no 1149 01:02:20,409 --> 01:02:17,749 idea what it is but I'm looking out this 1150 01:02:23,319 --> 01:02:20,419 window and I see the earth in the 1151 01:02:27,609 --> 01:02:23,329 distance and I'm looking at it and I say 1152 01:02:30,219 --> 01:02:27,619 oh that's so pretty is so pretty and I 1153 01:02:34,419 --> 01:02:30,229 hear somebody say something so pretty 1154 01:02:36,099 --> 01:02:34,429 should be taken care of and I remember 1155 01:02:42,219 --> 01:02:36,109 just nodding my head up and down and 1156 01:02:47,319 --> 01:02:42,229 that was it Wow well that's just amazing 1157 01:02:50,289 --> 01:02:47,329 amazing amazing um do you home will 1158 01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:50,299 continue the paintings oh yes 1159 01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:53,900 I'm reworking a painting now that I had 1160 01:03:00,929 --> 01:02:57,039 done which I'm not very satisfied with 1161 01:03:03,999 --> 01:03:00,939 and so I'm working on that right now 1162 01:03:05,799 --> 01:03:04,009 and if my not generous writers you know 1163 01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:05,809 you don't feel like you've got the 1164 01:03:10,660 --> 01:03:07,990 details right or left 1165 01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:10,670 yeah it just doesn't feel right I mean 1166 01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,310 I'm gonna there's their chance will now 1167 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:15,200 do a painting three or four times trying 1168 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:18,170 to get it right and this in the what is 1169 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:20,810 that I'm just basically going to rework 1170 01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:25,490 and see how it comes out you ever feel 1171 01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:30,020 like they are giving you the ideas to 1172 01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,030 paint 1173 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:34,160 you know what are you music going or 1174 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:36,290 they don't want to do what we're going 1175 01:03:41,890 --> 01:03:38,650 to have to go but I want to thank you 1176 01:03:45,570 --> 01:03:41,900 david huggins and spread over hams for 1177 01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:45,580 joining us for a really interesting show 1178 01:03:50,140 --> 01:03:48,230 everybody loves it and we're going to 1179 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:50,150 look for it painting - we're definitely 1180 01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:52,609 all what's for the film to come out so 1181 01:03:57,550 --> 01:03:54,950 thank you both uh-huh thank you I 1182 01:03:59,230 --> 01:03:57,560 enjoyed it yeah thanks everybody 1183 01:04:01,540 --> 01:03:59,240 good night join us next week it's gonna 1184 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:01,550 be another good show all you renny's get 1185 01:04:04,210 --> 01:04:03,050 ready and if you're if you don't know 1186 01:04:06,370 --> 01:04:04,220 what are running ears you're probably 1187 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:06,380 not one but hopefully you will be by the